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    Default New rides entry: 1995 Alfa Romeo 155 Q4 Sport "widebody"

    Steve Webb 1995 Alfa Romeo 155 Q4 Sport "widebody"

    My 155 GTA Stradale, project in progress...

    1994 Alfa Romeo 155 , 1995cc Std Standard Black

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    Default The beginning ...

    So finally I decide to make a thread for this my car into this forum .
    I see a lot of fields about car and modifications, that I skip for now, but will update them also with other description information during progress in this thread.
    I prefer chronological explanation of progress and here will post pictures and information about car and work on it.

    The story for me with this car started from this forum and one advert several years ago. As I sad to a good friend of mine (big car enthusiast, with several alfas) then, sending him a picture - because blue is my favorite color ... . And then after long discussion with ditlev with a lot of PMs, pictures on mail and thinking I decided, that really want this car to be mine. The car was really far from me (the car was in Denmark and I'm in Bulgaria) and there isn't easy way to see and hear it for real and such discussion was the way know more about the car. Good circumstance for me then was that look like there wasn't other serious buyer for initial period of advert and during our long discussion, then some appear and I have to make a decision and compare with him if I wanted the car.
    The car was delivered by used cars dealer and the deal was actually made by truck driver with money in cash with him. And when the car was in Bulgaria I receive a call, that can go at used cars dealer place and see it for real for first time .
    This is from registration process
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    The car have some modifications: tubular exhaust manifold (from Italy from what I remember, 38mm external diameter of piping), some part of exhaust made of stainless steel 63.5mm (2.5"), Forge dual piston BOV, short shifter, 16" Borbet Type E 7'5J ET35 with 215/40-16 tires, wheel spacers at front and 20mm I think at the back (at front I think was original one for widebody cars I think).
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    (spark plug cover was available with car and now is installed)
    The car also came with a lot of parts with it: Squadra Tuning chip, 4 used Compomotive TH2 17" with tires 215/35-17 (other wheels of the car) + 1 new wheel in the box, front wishbones, ball-joints, old exhaust manifold, intercooler, steel head gasket, AC control panel, board computer panel and others...
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    Here is a pictures of the car with Compomotive TH2 wheels (from ditlev, I haven't used these wheels on the car yet):
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    The car have nice leather interior:
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    I think that this is enough for beginning (I may add or change some things in this post if remember something else needing mentioning here)
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    Hi @kunev , thanks for posting your car up. Looks nice and clean. Love the TH2's as well.
    1994 Alfa Romeo 155 Q4: Dozeing in the garage.
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    1994 Alfa Romeo 155 , 1995cc Std Standard Black

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    Default And some common stuffs..

    Thanks Steve .
    In first post I reach the limit of maximum pictures per post, so continue with something that have to be there. In folder with papers and receipts for the car, that came with it, there is also a dyno graph and it show good result
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    And after acquisition and coming in my hands I started and continue for some time with common stuffs - basically maintenance, changing and repairing some things. Not sure that remember everything (don't say that they are so many things either), so may change this post several times.
    Oils, for engine I use Motul Sport 5W-50 Ester based lubricant (I want something more special and think that Motul ester oils are such) and for gearbox and rear differential use Motul 300 Gear 75W-90, which is also step up than normal gearbox oil. Balance shafts was "disabled" and its belt removed at changing of belts and pulleys. Ignition system was renewed - coils, plug wires and spark plugs
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    For spark plugs I go for standard, copper Denso and decided to go one step colder for some increase in boost in the future... For this model are showed Denso W20EPB (equivalent NGK BP6ET) and I go for W22EPB (equivalent NGK BP7ET). Look like this engine (Lampredi's 2.0 16V turbo) is used with colder spark plugs (7 hear index on NGK) on some of the earlier version with distributor ignition from what I see.
    Reverse gear lights wasn't working, which turned to be the sensor. The mechanic sad then that is different than what it was expected and have seen on italian cars from this period and also the position was different. Here it is:
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    Front windshield crack (maybe was my fault during one washing of car...).
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    First was ordered Saint Gobain, but the only one available was broken during transportation from Europe and then Pilkington was ordered, which arrive successfully. The installation guy sad that it is like armored , thicker than previous one (which was not original one I think, Saint Gobain).
    One wheel bearing was replaces, rear from what I remember. Valve's cover gasket was replaced, because of leaking. Plug wires cover was installed (it was available) with one new thread fixed/newly made from what I remember also one such manipulation for timing belt cover (I have seen such issue on one Coupe 16VT, so I guess, that is not so uncommon for this engine). Windshield wipers was modern beam type and I change them to conventional one. Front scudetto/grille was tightly fixed and that is a major problem for 155 with its plastic pins from what I read.
    Also bought some parts just in case or because was at good price - pair of cheap white Depo front indicators (one on the car is cracked, but haven't changed it yet), several sensors (intake air temperature (two I think), water temperature, low oil pressure...), track rod end, lambda probe... Common problem on 155 are outside door handles as you know and are difficult to find. All on the car are fine now, but because of this common issue I bought second hand handles to have, one time two right and after that two left one of which was modified to be stronger with adding of material.

    So basically nothing special here. More interesting things in next posts
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    Default Stockpiling with more interesting parts (Part 1)

    One picture of the car from first years of ownership, the quiet years let say
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    And here are some of the more interesting let say things, which I bought from time to time:

    Brand new OZ Racing Alleggerita HLT 16" 7J 4x100
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    I bought these because was really an amazing offer, which I could not miss and also like very much light OZ wheels - Ultraleggera, Superleggera... and these are even lighter. Alleggerita are the lightest OZ wheels and the only one from them, which came with "Weight certificate" for each wheel (can be seen on above photos)!

    Silverstone/Formula rear spoiler
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    This spoiler I bought it, because was able to get it at good price and is a rare, original part, which will become more rare in the future I guess, so just to have it. My car is "Sport" modification and have the corresponding spoiler, so already have original rear spoiler and don't plan to use this for now...

    Lancia Kappa 16V turbo intake manifold and fuel rail
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    The best standard manifold for Lampredi's 16V turbo engine and very sought after item as many of you know. Have read with data, that original one with some porting can flow more than such unmodified, but straight runners of this are better design performance wise, so definitely good to have. At one point started to look for one, but turned out it is more sought after that I expected and this made me a little mad and want it even more . Generally when I have called on advert for such car for spares, the answer was "this was first thing, which I sold..". A friend of mine told me, that one guy have such for sale and I catch that chance.

    As I reach the limit of 10 pictures per post will continue on another one . Stay tuned...
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    I've got the same inlet manifold and fuel rail, I'm planning on getting it fitted in the near future and moving to a coil on plug setup at the same time.
    1994 Alfa Romeo 155 Q4: Dozeing in the garage.
    2009 Audi A4 tdi: Everyday drive.
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    Default Interesting parts (Part 2)

    Coil on plug (COP) is more modern and advance ignition system for sure, but original wasted spark is not bad at all and is capable enough for 400hp and even more on this engine from what I have read. But if is planed aftermarket ECU then this is the route in my opinion. With original ECU can be implemented coil on plug setup, but it will fire 2 coils/plugs at same time.
    About installation of Kappa 16VT inlet manifold on our cars there is one "modification", which I really don't like - cutting of mounts for upper part of original manifold. And from what I read these original mounting points obstruct fitting of flange to engine head of Kappa manifold. I like performance modifications for sure and plan and do such on my cars, but also have one general rule - to be able to return to original state. So generally no cutting of metal, dashboard, interior trim ... if there isn't spare one.

    I continue with some interesting parts, which I acquired:

    Walbro GSS341 high pressure in-tank 255/h fuel pump
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    A friend of mine was in USA for business trip and I use the moment and him to order more serious fuel pump from Walbro for my eventual future plans and also as our vehicles are now at age and their original (most likely) fuel pump also can be expected that they will not work as new and will not be so unusual to break at some moment. These model flow more at high fuel pressure compared to their normal, old 255l/h variants.

    OZ Racing Ultraleggera 17" 7J ET37 4x100 Crystal Titanium
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    Again wheels, but these are my favorite model and was bought to be put on the car for sure. I was a little unsure about going with 17" and some very low tires (because of very small wheel arches on this model as you know) and bad roads here and delayed this decision for some time... The Compomotive TH2 wheels, which came with the car as part of the deal are with tires 215/35-17 and I don't want to drive with such size here. So size in mind was 215/40-17 and to see how it will be...

    Also other reason for bigger wheels is big brakes upgrade on which I'm really big fan and it happen to be first real performance modification I make on my cars. I don't want to do the things in most popular and simple way and want to make something more unique. I have some brake calipers models in my mind already and looked for them from time to time (later I will have all of them and that will be seen here of course, but that is in let say in the future for moment for which I write). And I bought that of them to which I leaned most

    Brembo 17Z 6 pistons monoblock brake calipers
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    * The plastic bottle of 1.5l was just for comparison .
    This model was originally used on early Porsche Cayenne V6s and VW Touareg with 330x32 discs and as its name suggest it was intended for 17" wheels. As my brake upgrade will be limited to 17" wheels and wanted something to be as big as can be put into 17" then this caliper model look as very good option to me . This particular model is from Touareg I guess, because Porsche generally put its name on it and paint them in more eye catching color let say. The total piston's area of this model is not small at all - 34/36/38 = 3060mm2. That was concern for such brake upgrade. For example on calipers from 166 and on earlier GTA with 305mm discs and GTV V6 also I think area is 38/42 = 2520mm2.
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    Good point about the modification, but there are a number of things I dislike about the original manifold, the lack of access to the coils, lack of access to the injectors, the rubber joiners and the shape of it. When I install the new manifold, I doubt the old one will ever go back on, if it ever needs to, well I'm sure something can be fabricated for the mounting points.

    The manifold means that you need to relocate the coils and a couple of other bits so I was thinking of moving to COP at the same time, however being sensible it might be best to just get new standard coils (cheap) whilst I move things about.
    1994 Alfa Romeo 155 Q4: Dozeing in the garage.
    2009 Audi A4 tdi: Everyday drive.
    1994 Alfa Romeo 155 , 1995cc Std Standard Black

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    Default brake calipers continue

    Yes, Kappa's manifold have more than one benefit than our original one and generally no useful reason to return once done except going for originality.

    Then other brake calipers, which I check from time to time appear at good price and I decided to buy them also .

    Brembo 18Z monoblock brake calipers
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    17Z and 18Z are very similar calipers, used on same cars and wheel hubs basically. The difference between them is pistons size, length of mounting "ears" and pads size. Total piston area of 18Z is smaller - 30/34/38 (2750mm2), so smaller increase from stock compared to 17Z and that was a good reason to bought them. 18Z are used originally with 350x34mm discs on Audi Q7, Porsche Cayenne and VW Touareg. Basically almost the same body and overall size calipers are spaced differently to work with different size discs (330 and 350 mm) on same cars.
    And here are them side by side (18Z are on the left):
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    Both calipers are popular as upgrade in VAG community mainly, because they can be fitted directly to the hub on many vehicles.
    Pads are interchangeable between them, so 17Z pads can be used on 18Z and vice versa (both pair calipers was with 18Z pads). 18Z pads are bigger and here is some comparison
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    To not occur overhang with higher 18Z pads, disc should have high working area.

    And as a final for introduction of 17Z and 18Z calipers will post some funny pictures from internet
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    As I then have two model calipers, the plan was to be checked with both and to be made adapters for both...
    Last edited by kunev; 08-02-18 at 06:57.
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    Default Front brake upgrade

    I remember, that have installed Squadra tuning chip at some point before front brake upgrade and there was noticeable improvement of performance .

    And now front brake upgrade implementation. The plan was going with OZ Ultraleggera 17" wheels to happen at same time as brake upgrade. Here is one visual check with Brembo 18Z
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    This process was executed by one one Bulgarian company specialized in fabricating of custom parts - NS Custom Parts. Both caliper pairs and wheels was given to them and they started with checks. They determined what discs parameters are needed for close installation and I found one, which are close enough. Both calipers was given for refreshing with sand blasting and painting with custom paint. I order brake discs and pads for 17Z calipers. 4 new Hankook Ventus V12 Evo2 215/40-R17 tyres was bought. With such size, there isn't many options unfortunately.
    Unfortunately was seen that 18Z calipers can not be installed on my car with 17" wheels and such discs. Mounting holes touch wheel hub.
    And here is some pictures from fabrication company with 3 bolts, not completely ready
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    And some
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    On these pictures wheels are without center caps, but I have them, just have removed them before giving the wheel to guys
    And as a resume of front brake setup:
    - Brembo 17Z calipers;
    - EBC yellowstuff pads for 17Z calipers;
    - EBC standard 330x32 brake discs for Volvo S60 R, V70 R on which was made grooves;
    - custom steel adapters for calipers - they sad that there isn't enough material with this design for strong fit with aluminum one;
    - custom made braided brake lines;
    - 12mm aluminum hub centric spacers front and rear and 2mm behind front disc - disc's offset is just a little smaller, than it have to;
    - Motul RBF600 brake fluid.
    One performance car is not enough ...
    Alfa Romeo GTV 2.0 V6 TB Q2
    Alfa Romeo 155 Q4 Sport "wide body"

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    That is some serious brake upgrade there kunev

    Are you planing to do some trackdays and/or tune your engine to 400bhp+ 'cause that 6piston caliper screams for them
    1995 Alfa Romeo 155 Q4 , 1995 cc Standard Standard Black

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    Default Some more parts...

    Thanks for the comment and interest jNk
    Generally I have plans for the car, not accidentally it is named GTA Stradale . But will see what will happen, because plans are changed from time to time... Stay tuned, I still write for old things and haven't reached to current moment . But for sure the car have to be street.

    Some more pictures of the car after front brake upgrade and OZ wheels
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    And now ... more parts.

    New rear torsen differential
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    I saw advert for this differential in ebay from one guy in Austria I think and he even have 2 or 3 differentials from what I remember. The price was good and decided, that is good to buy one.
    Later I also bought new rear differential housing and I think that was from same guy... The price was good and decided, that have to buy it. Don't have picture of it, but when do some will add it here.

    Apexi AVC-R electronic boost controller
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    From what I have read this boost controller is very good. Two settings and also one more when is off (then by wastegate spring only), boost by gear, by rpm with 500rpm increments and other settings. Yeah they are two, but I have two turbo cars. I bought first one for my GTV, then I don't have 155 yet I think. Then there was one at good price and decided to buy one more also

    And again brake calipers - Brembo 8 pistons
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    Here agains 18Z. These are used on RS4 B7, RS6 C5, Phaeton V10/W12, R8, Gallardo, Murcielago. These are the 3rd model which I consider for my front upgrade, but then I have suspicious about using it on 17" (which was my limit). I bought these after brake upgrade and If I have to do it again will use these. Total piston area is smaller than 17Z calipers - 38/42/38/42 = 2840mm2. 4 pads per caliper, radially mounting so more freedom for installation. Now my calipers are a little out of disc and for this mounting best fit will be with a little bigger than 330mm discs and also with 18Z pads, which are higher, but this I understand after I already bought the discs and pads and everything was ready...
    One performance car is not enough ...
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    Alfa Romeo 155 Q4 Sport "wide body"

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    Default Suspension

    The next on the list was suspension.
    As you know not many options for our car. The car have Eibach springs so also option was to buy just dampers, but I wanted to try with complete kit, that should have matched dampers and springs. Intrax have kits for our model and are very good probably, but expensive. I decided to try H&R monotube coilovers for Alfa Romeo 155 2.5 V6. From what I have read it should fit, but have doubts how the rear will be ... Q4 is definitely heavier at the back and on the front V6 is not so light so maybe not so big difference. From looking at documentation Q4 rear springs are thicker than 2.5 V6 - 13.9 vs 12.4. Free length is given the same as 305mm. But H&R springs are generally stiff so it may work I thought ...
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    I did not make pictures of the kit, because was well packed. But is like on second picture. From what I have read dampers are made by Bilstein to H&R spec and springs are H&R, but not 100% sure. So coilovers on front and separate dampers and springs at the back. Rear dampers are shorter than original from what I have seen on one kit for TS, so probably something like Bilstein B8, which are for bigger lowering, which sound normal considering 40mm lowering (B6 for standard ride height or up to 30mm).
    But after installation the mechanic call me that at the back is not ok and the car go very low when put on the ground, like sit on the tires. And was used old Eibach springs at the back. Unfortunately I didn't saw how exactly was this on real or picture... I have make a thread about this issue on the forum.
    On the front is ok as ride height, I think even higher than before. I definitely feel the difference from before and is much better, but dampers, which was removed was leaking. Rubbing at the back is improved, but if someone is the back it is an issue, so that will not be the end regarding back suspension...
    Here is how is now at the back and with H&R springs from the kit was several cm down, top of the tire was not seen from what I remember to been told by mechanic
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    And here are rates of springs in that kit, I have asked H&R and surprisingly receive an answer:
    "29992-2 uses springs with 55N/mm front and 45N/mm rear.
    Our coilovers are just available in one specification, not with any other spring rates."
    More pictures of the all car in the next post
    One performance car is not enough ...
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    Alfa Romeo 155 Q4 Sport "wide body"

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    Then there was one big trip to some very interesting places and with some special activities
    End destinations was Nürburgring Nordschleife and Spa-Francorchamps
    The trip lasted 13 days and more than 4800km. The group was with 2 cars with Lampredi 2.0 16V turbo engines and more than 600hp in total ... mostly from other car have to mention .
    Other destinations and places was Budapest; BMW Welt, Museum and factory in Munich; Audi museum and factory in Ingolstadt, Porsche museum in Stuttgart, Mercedes museum in Stuttgart, Bamberg, beer fest in Erlangen, Nurnberg, Maybach museum, Gyor in Hungary
    And here is some pictures just with the car as the topic is about the car (will be difficult to limit myself to 10 images )
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    Unfortunately don't have photos from driving on Spa.
    One performance car is not enough ...
    Alfa Romeo GTV 2.0 V6 TB Q2
    Alfa Romeo 155 Q4 Sport "wide body"

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