166 Brembo Calipers

**Steve Webb** · 21-09-11, 07:45

Just curious as to what you guys think is a good price for a pair of Alfa 166 from calipers?

Also which models of 166 have the calipers suitable for the 305mm discs, and are these the same calipers that are suitable for 330mm discs as well?

**Steve Webb** · 22-09-11, 15:54

No one?

I've seen a pair up at €230, is that about what other people have paid?

**fochista** · 22-09-11, 22:06

Hello Steve!

166 has 310mm discs and as I read somewere else at least someone has used the calipers also with 305mm discs on the Q4. So that seems to work fine.

I heard about, that 147 GTA had 305mm discs at the beginning and lateron became 330mm discs. Referring to ePER also the calipers were changed:
7189NEW POWERED FRONT BRAKE SYSTEM T?tigkeitsbeginnDAT 10-2003 (V6) DAT 12-2003 (V5)

As I drive a 166 3.0 I can try to have a look at the calipers... probably I can find out if the calipers could fit with 330mm discs.

BTW: The price in ePER from the year 2005 for ONE caliper of the 147 GTA (the big ones for 330mm discs) is around 350,- Euros.

Best regards, Martin

**fochista** · 21-10-11, 08:21

Originally Posted by fochista

As I drive a 166 3.0 I can try to have a look at the calipers... probably I can find out if the calipers could fit with 330mm discs.

Hi again!

I promised you to find out a little bit more on this. I took some time.

I made fotos from the 166 brake during I changed to winter tyres...

**fochista** · 21-10-11, 08:35

And I made some drafts!

Now I think that the 166 calipers do not fit very well with 330mm discs...

because of the inner shape of the caliper (I drawed it with the dashed line) you would have to move the caliper more to the outside and so you will loose some surface of the brake pads...

The distance between the blue dashed line of caliper and the 310 brake disc is about 3mm. To reach this distance at the upper and lower end of the caliper with 330 brake disc you will have to move the caliper about 6mm to7mm away from the disc...

ALL OF THIS ARE ESTIMATIONS! I have not done any measurements!

Saluti, Martin

**Steve Webb** · 23-09-11, 07:51

Yep the 166 caliper is quite a common upgrade for the Q4, using fiat Coupe 20vt discs as they still have the right stud pattern for the wheels. You just need an adapter plate to make the calipers fit the uprights.

Being tight with money, I'll be going for a second hand set and refurbishing them.

**Brul(tm)** · 23-09-11, 08:28

I think the price for a pair of calipers depends on the condition they are in.
Have seen an asking price of ?250,- and up. Some with pads and discs and some for the calipers only. On average I think they go for abuout ?300-350.

**fochista** · 23-09-11, 09:23

I'm thinking about to use the front Q4 calipers with discs on the rear (without ABS, one brake line to the rear and a hydraulic handbrake with manual adjusting for brake balance rear-front) and 166er brembo's on the front...

Front discs should fit at the rear without great problems...

Does anybody know, if the front calipers fit on the rear axle without mods?

**Steve Webb** · 23-09-11, 14:12

Thought I'd move this as it seems to have gone into a tech discussion rather than about the price of the calipers.

I've never heard of anyone using std Q4 calipers on the rear, should fit under the wheels fine, but as for the calipers fitting onto the hub? No idea.

**colibry** · 23-09-11, 16:28

166 brembos in Slovenia are reachable from 100euros to 20euros max. 330mm discs can be fitted from mercede benz ( i dont know witch model ) with some modification.. ill check at friends catalogue for discs.. for the rear calipers it can be used caliper from vw transporter with 280mm at rear

**jimnielsen** · 23-09-11, 21:28

I think that the 166 calipers work very well. They won't fit under some 16" wheels however..The problem with the 166 caliper / 305mm fiat VT disk is that the disks are a bit small - especially for racecars. I would really like 330 - 350mm calipers...

Colibry - if there is a 330mm disk that fits on the Q4 hub, I'd love to know which one..

I would need to move to 17 wheels however and that would involve quite a bit of guard modification...

**wrinx** · 23-09-11, 22:20

I'd expect to pay ?120-150 for a pair of good 166 calipers in the UK...make sure you get the mounting bolts as I hear they're no longer available from Alfa (in the UK anyway!).

They were fitted to the V6 models.

wrinx

**Steve Webb** · 24-09-11, 07:12

Originally Posted by wrinx

make sure you get the mounting bolts as I hear they're no longer available from Alfa (in the UK anyway!).

They should still be available, I thought manufacturers were obliged to carry spares for any model for 10 years after they ceased production. Since the 166 went on until 2007, spares shouldn't be a problem.

If Alfa has stopped this practice though, its an ominous sign.

**Steve Webb** · 24-09-11, 13:17

I did look around on ebay uk for some 166 calipers but there didn't seem to be any about. Any other places good for them?

**Jan** · 24-09-11, 21:44

jim, 330mm brakes

**jimnielsen** · 24-09-11, 22:35

The real problem for me Jan, is that on 17" rims's I'd want to use 240mm slicks - that would be 9" rims on the rear and 8" on the front..I'd need a fair bit of guard modification to make it all work..

**Brul(tm)** · 25-09-11, 08:22

Originally Posted by Jan

jim, 330mm brakes

What are the specs of these rims Jan?

I have the samerims and want bigger brakes also but no new rims.
330 mm is just what I am aiming at, but it needs to fit with the rims I have now.

**Suzumushi** · 30-10-11, 22:50

Originally Posted by Steve Webb

I did look around on ebay uk for some 166 calipers but there didn't seem to be any about. Any other places good for them?

A lot of them You can buy in Poland

http://allegro.pl/alfa-romeo-166-2-5...855737294.html about 100GBP for a set

http://allegro.pl/zacisk-prawy-przod...869255009.html the same price for set

http://allegro.pl/brembo-alfa-romeo-...902292742.html this one is interesting as seller is making full refurb in price and can paint it a desired colour and it's included in price 180GBP for set

http://allegro.pl/zacisk-czterotlocz...880173169.html 105GBP for set

http://allegro.pl/alfa-romeo-166-lan...896293800.html 125GBP for a set.

anyway after the two days reading of various posts on the forum i'm looking for a set for my q4, but first i must be able to produce somewhere brackets, or meaby someone have a spare set ?

best regards

**Xti** · 31-10-11, 07:38

I am also interested for a set of brackets.

Cheers,
C.

**fochista** · 13-12-11, 21:00

Originally Posted by Suzumushi

A lot of them You can buy in Poland

Hi Suzumushi!

Thanks for that hint!

My uncle lives near "Warszawa". He bought it for me, because I can't speak and I can't read poslish...
I've got it already. Fotos are in my Q4 garage thread...

Now I'm going to make one bracket first out of wood in order to test the fitment. It will be based on the drawings from the "brembo threads". Thanks to all of you, guys!!!

Saluti, fochista

**Suzumushi** · 14-12-11, 08:07

Originally Posted by fochista

Hi Suzumushi!

Thanks for that hint!

My uncle lives near "Warszawa". He bought it for me, because I can't speak and I can't read poslish...
I've got it already. Fotos are in my Q4 garage thread...

Now I'm going to make one bracket first out of wood in order to test the fitment. It will be based on the drawings from the "brembo threads". Thanks to all of you, guys!!!

Saluti, fochista

great to hear it was helpful

world is really small anyway, i can see that You are from Austria, my father lives in Vienna for about 30 years right now

but anyway
if anyone will need something from PL just let me know, i can help as probably i know the language quite well

regards
W

**Steve Webb** · 14-12-11, 09:30

Originally Posted by Suzumushi

great to hear it was helpful

world is really small anyway, i can see that You are from Austria, my father lives in Vienna for about 30 years right now

but anyway
if anyone will need something from PL just let me know, i can help as probably i know the language quite well

regards
W

This is one of the reasons I added the members map to the forum (http://forum.berlinasportivo.com/vbgooglemapme.php) we are all a helpful bunch on here so I though it might be a good idea to know roughly where people came from in case they can help with getting hold of things.
I know some people are a little cagey about publishing where they are, so feel free to just put your marker in your home country. (hint hint)

**fochista** · 16-12-11, 06:38

Originally Posted by Suzumushi

great to hear it was helpful

Yes, it was. A guy in austria wanted 500 Euros (for 2 calipers),

not Zloty. He argumented that new ones cost about 500 Euro per piece at the Alfa Romeo local dealer...

He will own them for another few years, I think...

Thanks to you again!

Originally Posted by Suzumushi

world is really small anyway, i can see that You are from Austria, my father lives in Vienna for about 30 years right now

We are not that far from each other. Would be nice to meet you and your Q4 sometimes...

Originally Posted by Suzumushi

if anyone will need something from PL just let me know, i can help as probably i know the language quite well

regards
W

Thanks for that offer. I think something could came along sometime...

Tanti Saluti, Martin

**Varypodaros** · 26-09-11, 16:40

don't the wheels touch the wings when you tturn the steering wheel?

**fochista** · 28-09-11, 11:25

Hi all!

I found following a few weeks ago...

Up to 400mm x 36mm discs with 8 piston calipers:

http://www.xyz-racing.com/index.php --> Brake Kit
or
http://www.k-sportracing-switzerland...vorn_list.html

But you'll need 20" rims (perhaps they fit without rubber at all)

and it's a little bit expensive, I think