Alfa Romeo 155 Q4 oil

:thumb: Greetings everyone!

Im new here, just registed yesterday. Got to tell you all that this forum is awsome, never seen anything like this. Just bought an Alfa Romeo 155 Q4 2 weeks ago, and im loving it, unfortunatly its slightly in poor condition, some oil leaks from engine, gearbox and transmission, electrical malfunctions...But I think its no big deal..Gonna star to disassembly the car this weekend, fixing all this small things. The car is from 1993, got 92000kms, but has been stoped for at least 4 years. gonna start at the engine bay, replacing timing belt, filters, oil.
The previous owner was using LIQUI MOLY 10W60 engine oil, i know its a good oil, but i think you guys should know better, so, what should i use? by the way, you know some good online shop to purchase gaskets, oil filters, timing belts, that kind of sutff? Probably gonna start upgrading the car for the end of this year, starting with suspension, wheels, brakes, maybe a squadra chip, since the car is fully stock. Any sugestions are greatly welcome since im from Portugal, and i dont know anyone ho has an Alfa like this one, just got some friends with lancia integrales :unsure:..

Keep up the good work! This forum is awsome:tongue:

Welcome.
This is an extremely quiet part of the internet but the resource is pretty vast.

I think a good oil is a 10/60 Synthetic:
[ame]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Motul-7100-Synthetic-Ester-Motor/dp/B002LGMARM[/ame]

For parts there are a few good suppliers in the UK:

http://www.walkers-garage.co.uk/
http://www.tancbarratt.co.uk/

Good luck with the project. I expect it has been in a good climate so may not have suffered from much rust?

Please post updates and photos of your progress.

Thanks,
Jack

Thanks for the reply jack!

Was a short weekend for me to work harder on the car. The car is in good shape, not much rust except the wheel bolts...with the age of the tires they must have been tigh really hard for a long time..tryed to remove the front wheels to check for brakes/suspension, unfortunatly the car has those kind of anti theft lug bolts witch i only have one spare key...after alot of hits with a hammer, heat and rust spray, tryed to unscrew it with a 1.5 meter steel tube and broke the special key for the lug bolt...later i was able to remove it with a drill...:mad:

Well, need to replace the front plastic splash shield panels, and the front bumper needs repair too.

Some pictures of the car and progress.

Looks to be in very good shape :cool:

Is that oil near the turbo?

wrinx

Good morning , the car was runing with water in the radiator system, and it has a small leak from that small conecting hose right above the turbo, its water with rust that is showned I think. Thx for the comment wrinx. Hope its that what you mentioned.:unsure:

Ahh, good...at least it's not oil blowing out of the turbo joint then :)

wrinx

Your car looks awsome wrinx! How is the project running? Need to find some nice wheels too for my alfa, but ill keep the standard 4 bolted ones, I think they are 4x98 correct? Dont know if ill chose the 16 or 17"...I have seen that brake setup in other cars in this forum, is it good? Im aiming to do some track days in the future.. cheers
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Thanks, sadly the project has stalled for the past two years while I sort my garage and work etc.

4x98 is correct, some people think 17s ruin the handling and prefer 16s but I think 17s are fine and you'll probably need 17s to fit over 166 brakes...which are awesome!

wrinx

Hi guys, im working on the brakes at the moment, aiming for the 166 calipers, found some in second hand for 250 euros. And gonna try to buy a new set of wheels (mille miglia 17" 7 4x98), i think they are ok for the price, comes with tires (260 euros second hand). Dont have much money atm to buy good rims.
As for the brake discs, the correct reference to buy them is from the fiat coupe 20v turbo? 305mm/28mm 4x98 right? Ive found some thec drawings for the brackets: http://www.shrani.si/f/3N/PJ/RNSEWXZ...o-bracket2.jpg

Is this the correct one?
And for the discs, any sugestions?

Here´s the link of the wheels: http://olx.pt/anuncio/jantes-17-mill...tml#236a2075b9

:bowdown: Thank you for the tips! :bowdown:

305mm (sometimes advertised at 304mm) with 4x98 is correct for the discs.

You could buy the brackets very cheap here if he is willing to make more sets:

http://alfa155.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=47943

Welcome Chuckie [img]https://forum.flitsservice.nl/images/smilies/dag.gif/img]

It’s good to see that enthusiast people know to find berlinssportivo and do a proper introduction. That's a good looking Q4 you've got there :cool:

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sadly the project has stalled for the past two years while I sort my garage and work etc.

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That sounds familiar :angry: It's way beyon 7 years now :eek::eek:
And even forgot the twentieth birthday januari this year :blush:

Sam shit over here, though I did find a new job :cool: Still a difficult market, project and orders are staying behind :unsure: Thankfully it’s a great company and I hope can stay here for some time (years). Great colleagues. :lol-052::lol-052: Garage is full with parts and a project waiting for some action and a lack of time.

Welcome to the forum :).
If you have integrale friends, so you have right friends relating to engine and transmission ;).
The oil, which AlfaJack showed in the link is for 4 stroke motorcycle engines! The climate in Portugal is warm, so you should be fine with 10W-60 oil. 10W-60 is "heavy" oil, but for old engine in performance car, which will be pushed it is the most recommended and used grade :) (as far as I have read and know). I go for Motul Sport 5W-50 ester oil for both my cars.
You can get parts for the car from most big car parts shops and that specialised in italian cars. But some parts are more difficult for finding. If you ask for site for online orders, I have make 2 orders from "mister-auto" site and was very satisfied with the price (for particular parts and because of that order from them). Here is the link for your local office of this site -> http://www.mister-auto.pt/pt/.
About wheel size. Unfortunately for me, the space for wheels is very limited in 155 :(. 16" look like best compromise between look, performance and ride quality for this car and I think is mostly used. Also big brakes can fit under 16". With 17" you have to run very low profile tires and they will be very close to wheel arches and if the roads there are not so smooth ... My car is lowered with Eibach springs (-30mm) and have 215/40-16 tires (bought the car with them and they are smaller diameter than original) and the car is very low. I also have 17" wheels, which plan to install with new 215/40 tires and this will be really tight fit and will have problems with bad roads here :( , but I want big wheels and big brakes, so have to live with negatives.
250E for Brembo calipers from 166 is a lot in my opinion! I can source you such calipers from here (or other model) for lower price.

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The oil, which AlfaJack showed in the link is for 4 stroke motorcycle engines!

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So it is! Sorry.
This is what I meant to link to:
http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-89787-mo...ngine-oil.aspx

It might be overkill. I put in a cheaper oil but change it more regularly.
http://www.opieoils.co.uk/c-662-10w-60-engine-oil.aspx

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Thank you all for the tips! I´m aiming for the suspension at the moment, dont have any progress on the car, my wife had surgery last week and didnt have time to continue :sad-011:. But its all fine now.
So now got this "to do list":

-Need springs/shock absorvers. (ive heard about the eibach springs, probably will do, part numbers are welcome or websites with references)
-Searching for a nice bush kit for suspension.
-Wondering if it exist any anti-torsion bar upgrade, since i dont have any atm.
-Want to remove the catalic converters, and make a full stainless steel exhaust pipe 2.5" or 3"?
-Is there any camber kits for the alfa 155 q4 that anyone knows about?

For those that removed the engine from the car, what is the best way to do it? upwards or downwards of the engine bay?
Gonna try to take some good pictures of the progress.

Once again, thanks!

I took the engine out of the top with the gearbox and transfer box attached. I believe it is easier to lower it out the bottom though.

3" stainless would be good. The removal of the cats makes a nice difference to the performance!

You can buy camber bolts:
http://www.revolution247.com/powerfl...-155-pfa100-12

Wishbone bushes:
http://www.powerflexshop.com/car/alfa-romeo/145-146-155

I think Eibach springs are harder to get now - I don't know what the next best option is though.

Most kits that are listed for a V6 are also suitable for the Q4.
Have a search here for mention of thicker Anti-roll bars - they are not easy to find either.

Damm, its really hard to find suspensions for the car.:sad: Just sent an email to eibach asking for the springs, found this old thread: http://forum.berlinasportivo.com/showthread.php?t=2208

And sent the codes to them, when i get some feedback ill post here.
Im affraid to lower the car more than 35mm, dont want a good looking tunning spec, im looking for good performance.

Found this Ksport kit intresting: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASSETTO-REGO...item5890cc1d27

Its expensive and, for a coilover kit maybe the car will become very hard. Anyone got a good feedback regarding to coilover kits for this car?

Cheers

Thanks for the replys!

Just found a Portuguese company that sell the eibach Springs. They are asking for 301 Euros with free shipping for the 4 springs. Is it a good price?

If anyone needs heres the link for it: http://www.qf-lda.pt/

Just bought the Brembo brakes today, gonna refurbish them.

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Just found a Portuguese company that sell the eibach Springs. They are asking for 301 Euros with free shipping for the 4 springs. Is it a good price?

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I guess the price is good if they are the only company selling them in your country, but please check they actually have them in stock. Several people have tried to get springs for Q4s and paid money only to have to chase for refunds for a long time when the company can't get hold of them.

wrinx

I think they got them in stock, they are going to deliver them today or tomorrow.
Finally this weekend i was able to remove all the 4 anti-theft bolts from the wheels, and now its ready to recieve the new wheels/big brakes upgrade :lol:

Made some progression at engine dissasembly, trying to fix all the oil leaks.

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I think i got some kind of water spary system near the intercooler :love-001:

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Im thinking about removing the EGR system, it should be a good thing to do right?

Gonna try to find selicone hoses to replace the old ones.

Cheers

Alloys and Eibach Springs have arrived!

:fire::fire::fire:

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Very nice indeed :cool:

wrinx

MilleMiglia alloys. looks great.

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I think i got some kind of water spray system near the intercooler :love-001:

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This is the only [s]official[/s] documentation I found about the Original water spray system:
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It's in german, never found any other source....

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Im thinking about removing the EGR system, it should be a good thing to do right?

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Absolutely, get rid of that junk :thumbsup:
One of the first modifications on mine.

More details about the system here and connection instructions:

http://www.berlinasportivo.com/pages/waterspray1.php

wrinx

Welcome, ChuckNorris ; )

Good luck with the project, it seems to me like it's going just fine. And the car is in pretty good shape too. If you need something you can't find as new parts feel free to ask as I might have some spares around. Btw, nice garage you have there. Keep up the good work!

Selenia Racing 10w60 here. Changed every 7500k.

ps: Pics with my Q4's custom rear springs setup (220mm high/ different thickness). The red ones were Eibachs and the black ones D2. I have 8J ET 25 with 205/40 R17 and 16mm spacers which slightely touches the wheel arches on bigger roadbumps. Was pretty interesting for me to find my favorite setup for the rear and still could be improved I think. A thicker ARB would make a big diffrence I'm sure.

Greatings,
Chris.

Thamks Wrinx! Thankes Brul!

Xti, your car is awsome! That wheels are the must! Very good taste indeed!
Im thinking in purchase some nice wheels in the future, after i fix all the details and put some nice horse power to be worthy! :lol:

My garage is an old warehouse of a flower company that my parents had back in the 90´s, got some nice space, but i dont have all the tools at the moment, im planning to build a nice workshop, and this is my second car im working in, had my Alfa Spider full overhaul.

I tryed to make a garage picture album but it seems that isnt working anymore, here some pics of the Spider:

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Its a off-topic but its an Alfa! I just made the disassembly and assembly, the body and respray was made by a old friend who has a very nice garage. :lol:
Wrinx, keep up the good work, saw some pictures of your Alfa, i just cant imagine wath you have been thru. By the way, you have any idea how many horsepower your car have? (the Q4, not the awsome Zagato :love-001: )

The inlet cam seems a nice mod to push a little the top end rpm, in the future ill chack for that too.

Cheers

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Heres some progress i made, had some time off for vacations, but im back to the project. I think i might need some tips help from you guys. The turbo was in really bad shape (big oil leak), and i found out that this engine broke the timing belt once, wich result on valve contact with the pistons, also the camshafts were very worn. Didn´t get acess yet to the crankshaft.

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My idea:

-Wossner forged piston set+conrods
-Colombi bariani camshafts road max(dont know wich ones yet LD16.ST3 or LD16.ST2)
-Bigger fuel injectors + fuel pump
-Turbo Garret GTX28 with external wastegate or GT28 71R.
Im assuming it will need a better clutch but cant find any clutch upgrade at the moment.

Trying to get a reliable 250-300hp output.

All the sugestions and wisdom are welcome!
Im not rich so if theres a nice cheap reliable way to rebuild it its welcome :redface:

Cheers

Soon, ill star rebuilding the engine!
-Stock turbo refurbished
-ARP head studs and cranck shaft.
-JE 84.4mm pistons
-Maxspeeding forged conrods with arp bolts
-King racing conrods and cranck shaft bearings
-Balancer shaft removal kit from deltaparts
-Cometic head gasket 1.9mm thick

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Enjoy!

great work!

Keep on going :)

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Keep up the good work. You will enjoy driving it every time as much as on the first day. And it gets better and better you'll see.

Niiiice!!

What have you used to paint the valve cover?

Hello Juan, i have used VHT Wrinkle plus red spray paint, its very resistant and have that wrinkle finish, after paint applyed just passed a light sand paper on the letters of the cover. Im very pleased with the results :smile:.

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