as long as it is wax based, it is the best thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xti
I made the same 'treatment' on my GT1300Junior, back in '92, and up today there are no rust point at all.
Keep up the good work.
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as long as it is wax based, it is the best thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xti
I made the same 'treatment' on my GT1300Junior, back in '92, and up today there are no rust point at all.
Keep up the good work.
It was now to finish with the underbody sealing/painting, and to be more specific the sections were the front crossrail and rear axle are placed. (Damn... sometimes I barely can find tehnical terms in english sorry guys if I manage to mix them sometimes :tongue2:). Firstly these two had to stick to the car so I could raise it on its side wheels (amateur job again but worked).
After having the front and rear axles removed it was time to start again with cleaning, degreasing, wire brush abrading, phosphoric acid antirust treatment, wirebrush again, sandpaper manualy abrading and then final degreasing before epoxidic resine spraying and elastic sealant applying. All these were easily and carefully done expecting as always the best result possible for this kind of job.
Bla bla bla.... pictures could speak much better than me I don’t know why I am annoying you with my story-teller or writing „skills”.:doh::biggrin:
"Going under" to see the results...:smoke:
Next level: engine compartment and front wheels housings.
Cheers, guys.
Cristian
Soon need patchs on your knees :smile: you'll not be able to resist another look underneath, top job.
Engine compartment and front wheels housings: wire brushing, rust removing treatment, then manualy abrading and degreasing.
It really was a hell of a job due to irregular surfaces and their junctions, sections hard to reach, etc.
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Great work again - Is this up to the 'present day' with the photos yet?
jim ..
Thanks, Jim.
No, the thread is not yet updated to the 'present day' due to limited time I have here. But will update it as soon as I can.
Greatings,
Cristian.
superb work xti,
i think you will have one of the "cleanest" Q4`s in the world when you have finished her !!
Thanks, Mark.
I might say that thought crossed my mind too.
But then I asked myself: "Will you really want to throw this thing out on the roads or should you consider to just set it next to your bed?" :doh:
Anyway, it doesn't matter what I think or what I want because the best place were an Alfa should be is on the roads. And everyone of us enjoying the pleasure of driving'em.
And when my 155 Q4 will be ready to get back on the roads, my "cuore sportivo" will be full of joy.
Cheers,
Cristian.
Cristian, I see that you have removed all (and I mean totally all) of the wiring of your Q4. I am interested in this because I am interested in removing all the the wiring in mine as well, except for the wiring that i need for the ECU (with all its sensors etc) and the ABS wiring. That way I could remove a lot of stuff that I don't need - so my question is - as you must have removed the wiring very carefully if you are going to reuse it - can you separate out the wiring like this AND are the ECU and the ABS wiring joined together in any way?
jim.
Hi, Jim.
The wiring was removed (not necessarely carefully :doh:) by an electrician as I'm not very familiar with this chapter. I hope he will remember what is this all about. I must say I can't remember right know if the ECU and/or ABS wiring can be separated from eachother or/and from the rest of wiring. But in the next days when I'll get to the garage I will take a look and let you know.
Greatings,
Cristian.
I have also spent some time taking care of rear wings: manually abrading (dry environment only) of rust spots and phosphoric acid treatment , wire brushing and reabrading after 24h.
It was time to make some sort of list with the parts that imperatively needed to be changed and first in my mind was to check different flexible covers (e.g. ones from axle shafts) and also cheking the integrity of other components (e.g. constant speed joints).
But then again I was bound to a lot of cleaning work as all these were extremely dirty, an old mixture of dust and oil/greaser. :doh:
So let's get it on with cleaning and degreasing with some diesel...
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Jim, ABS wiring is completely separate from the rest, except that it has one connection to ECU wiring (brown/white wire from ABS connected to blue of ECU (see picture attached)Quote:
Originally Posted by jimnielsen
But if you'd want to remove say AC wiring, you would need to 'disassemble' the main wiring and remove the stuff you don't need.
Thanks for your intervention, mindus.
Jim, if my help is still needed (in any case) please let me know.
Cheers guys,
Cristian.
The rear brake calippers were off now, also the inductive sensors. Dirty words often came out of my mouth when a ...beep... screw from rear axle arm wouldn't came out. Twice broken...and they say only the fool makes the same mistake two times :doh::tongue2:
Also checked out the components to see what else is needed to be changed (like brake pistons flexible covers).
Main shaft dissasembled, pretty damaged intermediate flexible support (common problem as you all know).
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Brake hoses and their supports removed, phosphoric acid treated to remove rust (looking to change the brake hoses with Goodridge ones).
Oil vapours separator and hoses removed, cleaned and checked. As expected, hoses damaged (of course I haven't found new OEM ones to replace so have to start searching for siliconic ones). Separator also a bit rusted but it will later appear freshly repainted.
Those vapour hoses are horrible. They are of the age where there don't flex...just split. Silicon is the way.
Horrible indeed. That rubber turned into some sort of plastic, being everything but flexible.
Thanks to Gery83 who helped me to find silicone hoses in our area. I owe you couple of beers, Gery.
Greatings,
Cristian.
looking good :D
did you find silicon hoses with the original curves? Any photo?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xti
You sure have a lot of patience and I sence a little perfectionist inside, I am so going to do the same to my car as soon as I moved and have my own garage, you encourage us all, as do all of you others who tells us your (cars) story through a thread or similar :smile:
keep up the good work and DO NOT ever SELL that car, you will regret it if you do!
Mine are the same ans assumed they were pretty hard when new.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xti
Did you just use standard hose?
wrinx
No, they are not curved but straight and very flexible. I will make pics too when I'll get to that chapter but if someone need it faster pls let me know.Quote:
Originally Posted by arjunior45
Yes Dave, it is truly about lot of patience. I also take all this as a test for me. It depends very much on what does this patience means for someone. I'm taking this project also as a spirit (character) "polishing".Quote:
Originally Posted by Q4-Dave
I may be a "perfectionist" like you said, not sure. What I'm sure instead is just that when I'm doing something I want to do it at my best. Always. But I think we all do. I think it is also about little folly (folia in italian) that any passion must have it. It's necessary for the start. In conclusion, it is about many but in the right way/direction I would say. (Wow I never stop talking, do I? Sorry...it's the cuore sportivo who talks now:tongue2:)
I would definitely not want to sell this 155. I don't like to think that way, not at all.
When the main part of this project (the car ready to go) will be completed, I will try to draw a personal conclusion so that everyone who want to start something like this to be awared of it if I may say so. It surely takes some sacrifices, it's true.
I'm not sure what do you mean by "standard hose". These silicone hoses I've got are in fact 100mm long each one and I will cut them to fit. Sorry if I have missunderstood your question.Quote:
Originally Posted by wrinx
Sorry, I meant are they special silicone hoses or just straight lengths...so I think you answered the question ;)
wrinx
i did a similiar "project" with an alfasud ti a couple of years ago and the worst thing i ever did was to sell it at the end because i realised afterwards that i would never do such a thing again !Quote:
Originally Posted by Xti
oh well, live and learn, as they say...
keep up the great work, you know its worth it.
Thanks for sharing this story, I will keep it in my mind.
In the sametime I'm pretty sure it is not the lack of will that would keep you from doing such a thing again but more likely the lack of time. What to mention about these hard days we're living. I often remind me that maybe it wasn't just the right time for me to do this as I have other priorities such as a family with 2 little kids. It is hard but I managed well so far, I don't like to give up that easy. But I don't see myself doing this again for the same reasons above. All things have their time to be done, don't they?
I have to congratulate you for your Sud Ti project and I think that the most important thing is that you have done the job. Must've been a great satisfaction for you.
Hi guys!
As I am now about to mount some of the underbody parts (ducts, supports, etc) I realise how foolish it was from me not to take some pictures before dissmantling. Maybe I was thinking that the tech manual will help but it is not the same. Or was I not thinking at all at that time?
So could you share some of your 155 Q4s underbody pictures if you have any , please? Thank you very much.
I will come back soon with some updates to the thread.
Cheers,
C.
some of the underbody stuff at the rear end mostly.
Thanks a lot, Mindus!
The pictures are very helpful, saving a lot of time for me.
Still don't know how could I forgot about this aspect...:redface: It seems to me like I was soooo confident but there are already more than 2 years now since started this. Never thought it will take so much...:doh:
TAKE PICTURES BEFORE REMOVING PARTS FROM YOUR CARS !!! :smoke: I was very smart...
Thanks again, man.
And thanks in advance to everyone who can share.
Greatings,
C.
one more (of the back) and a fuel rail in the front.
Thanks again, Mindus!
Cheers,
Cristian.
Here we go again, sorry for the long down time.
Degreasing, epoxydic resin (antirust treatment) applied to the front/ rear wings (inside), main shaft, servopump, oil cooler and some other body parts, etc...