View Full Version : Do you remember this Q4 maybe?
I mean this one:
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/426119/ScFqX5ngMIs7bKkr.v.jpg
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/426119/41gQnntfiHiqpFtE.v.jpg
I presented it a while ago here ...lets say around july last year.
Now this is it's current state:
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/426119/DDS1ACqusI2_ihq8.v.jpg
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/426119/JXl8pV6ecI4y4OaF.v.jpg
http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/11/79/45/12/3aa10.jpg
It doesn't look pretty a?
I had an accident on the 15 of december...crashed into a big van in a slow corner.It was a little wet and i was doing around 50km/h when my car just went straight instead of turning into the corner .The van driver was also driving too close to the center of the road so the police said that maybe the fault will go split between both of us.
The main problem was the road itself....that particular part of the road is known for accidents(50 crashes in 1 year in that same corner) and there is not even a sign for slippery road or any cut asphalt for better grip.
The cabin part took almost the entire impact becouse the van somehow slid plus the strut bar "sent" some of the hit on the other side so the only way left was the cabin and it took it quite well since i wasnt injured that much(i had a few problems with my knee pad..broken.press) and that the driver area remaind quite intact.
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/426119/wvKkdPRHevUFh0bM.v.jpg
But i won't give on up Q4 that easy :) I just got another Q4 with a broken engine(but the car was never crashed and there is no rust at all ) which is going to be restored soon and then the engine,interior and a few others things from the white one are going into that car :)
Wish me luck on that one hehe
looks like you were lucky
What a very sad story :eek::cry:
Hopefully you got away better then the car ?
Good luck restoring the your new Q4.
Post a picture when your done ;)
Greetings,
Marc
pavs:
yep that's what everybody keeps telling me since the only injury i had was a broken knee patella(i slammed with the leg in that lower part, right where the igniton key eccetera parts are) and thats it.
What a very sad story :eek::cry:
Hopefully you got away better then the car ?
Good luck restoring the your new Q4.
Post a picture when your done ;)
Greetings,
Marc
I got away much much better then the car.The good thing is the engine is not crashed(which is good becouse the engine is already tuned with forged pistons,eccetera..)and i will use it in the other Q4.
I will certainly keep you you informed on the progres of the other Q4 :)
Wow, lucky man, glad you were OK (except for the knee)
At least we get to watch another Q4 project unfold now, keep us posted :)
Oh man!!! :eek::eek::eek:
That looks painful...really sorry to read this, looked like nice and well cared for car :cry:
Hope you and your new car are fully functioning soon :biggrin:
wrinx
sorry to see that glad your ok tho
Wow, lucky man, glad you were OK (except for the knee)
At least we get to watch another Q4 project unfold now, keep us posted :)
Yes you do but at an expense of the white one :)
wrinx:
Yes the car was maintained beautifuly,never crashed no rust almost the perfect Q4 so becouse of that i can't just buy another one in a lesser state(here in slovenia are around 20 Q4's,1/2 of them is in a sorry state the rest is or being rebuild or lets say that cca 5 cars are actually MOT worthy and running)... i wouldn t be satisfeid so i rather build a good one from scrap :D
Good plan...and good luck!
You have a few more in Slovenia than the UK, we have about 12-16, not all of them are known.
It makes buying them a risk, mine has some rust but I will deal with it in time!
wrinx
To stir things furtermore axa is guilty of me being infected whit the q4 virus. And my red satan is gona fire up today ! will post pictures of the build maybe tomorow if the forsaken pice of metal starts !
ENgine is new done 600 km in another chassies oem parts only bored to 2.1 liters
strait trough exhaust
and a chip by wolf666 which is wilder than any other that i know of :D
active suspenison that i hope still works :)
and a bit of rust on the back wheel panels whic i will remove soon.
wow quite a crash !
i`m sorry to hear you lost that car it was a nice one.
but at least you are ok, and even better you have a replacement.
I had to wait a year to find a replacement for my first one ! :(
look forward to seeing you new project.
Something is moving at my place....
I just bought a nice set of recaro seats from a lancia delta for my almost to be started assembling Q4 hehe.I got them for around 130pounds or 170euros.
This week they are going to be "changed" into leather on sides and microfibra in the middle(all black of course) probably.
Here is a pic:
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/79/45/12/zici110.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=36&u=11794512)
And here is me testing the driving position :D :D
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/79/45/12/zici310.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=37&u=11794512)
Things are slowly coming together with parts an other things so i will keep you posted in the next months :)
Very nice seats indeed, very good price too. Good luck with the whole work, man.
First of all sorry for your old car. I hope your new projects goes well.
Do you plan to part out the old one ? Especially the transmission / rear differential ?
Most of the parts will go from the crashed one to the "new" body but if you need a transmission or diff. i can get you both of those.If you are interested please contact me on PM and we will discuss that further.
Something new for the "future" car :
It's the 'grale 16V Garret T3(Tb0385...sometimes reffered as T38 i'm not sure..) which can "blow" ahealthy cca 350hp at its fullest.
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/79/45/12/pic00012.jpg
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/79/45/12/pic00011.jpg
The "new" body is almost completly stripped.The next stop will be the painter and then the assembly of the body( It's going to be a widebody now...actually the first WB Q4 in Slovenia for which i'm very proud :D )
Pics of the work will be hopefully soon :)
Good work and good luck! :)
It arrived today(i will never be without one of these...it saved at least my left leg in the crash,maybe even my life)
Sparco strut bar:
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/79/45/12/stanga10.jpg
The newly refurbished recaro seats :)
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/79/45/12/110.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=45&u=11794512)
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/79/45/12/210.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=46&u=11794512)
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/79/45/12/310.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=47&u=11794512)
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/79/45/12/410.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=48&u=11794512)
seats look great.
much better in black
:)
Very cushy :)
Glad to see progress being made :D
Cushy and suppoortive too :D
I haven't posted here for some time now sooo here a few pics of the progress made on the car so far.
OK here we go:
The donor car for the widebody parts,quick rack and momo sport steering wheel
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/10558364/_WXlg12TlFDy5Npr.v.jpg
This is the actual Q4 we are building(actually in this stage it looks the same as the donor car :D)
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/10558364/R5P1A8JQs8Hy90Ie.v.jpg
The integrale 16v manifold
http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320274911695&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RCRX_Pr4_PcY_BID_IT&refitem=320274905631&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=active_view_item&usedrule1=CrossSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget&_trksid=p284.m184&_trkparms=algo%3DCRX%26its%3DS%252BI%26itu%3DUCI%2 52BSI%26otn%3D4
the interior painted black:
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/10558364/ls_gKqpb2wv8n_Ic.v.jpg
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/10558364/lLauOCQoczyPOqar.v.jpg
The engine almost finished ...mounted integrlae manifold:
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/10558364/v8J1eoprMZGUiIUQ.v.jpg
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/10558364/b4BdNmOcDj6F_MoW.v.jpg
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/10558364/BjflZnzFG4jvmg1s.v.jpg
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/10558364/KJcx8y9Hq92AP_Fx.v.jpg
Found out that the crank sensor cable was hitting in the belt:
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/10558364/0T0EgvgDqommhhmD.v.jpg
Turbo with mounted EGT probe in the downpipe and waiting for a new stronger WG from england ...:D
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/10558364/_RhNd1c6xVfK6q4g.v.jpg
The broken disc from the crash:
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/10558364/ZEUjkeWHtYtQzV0D.v.jpg
The car is already on his wheels and waiting for the engine mount this week :)
It must have took a lot of time and patience, haven't ? Don't mention about the money... . Congrats and keep up the good work.
Cristian
The engine is IN ...happy me :)
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/10558364/xwQ2s_cytCi6pzrc.v.jpg
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/10558364/_g2kvfXZhATJmXmS.v.jpg
Reinforced brackets ( a known issue...they like to crack :) )
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/10558364/m3xBpLKLbj5m8Ukr.v.jpg
Even the WG from GT3 turbo from england arrived:
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/79/45/12/pic00013.jpg
I didnt know the rack brackets cracked!
Where did you buy the wastegate from?
Also, I see the old oil cooler pipes - just based on my experience while you are there I would replace these with after market pipes and connections :)
Even the WG from GT3 turbo from england arrived:
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/79/45/12/pic00013.jpg
Looks more like an actuator to me :confused:
Good luck with the rest of the job. And keep posting those pictures :smile:
Greetings,
Marc
I didnt know the rack brackets cracked!
Where did you buy the wastegate from?
Also, I see the old oil cooler pipes - just based on my experience while you are there I would replace these with after market pipes and connections :)
I bought thw WG actuator(yes brul you are right :D ):
http://www.gt3turbo.com/Merchant/home.php
Some pics:
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/79/45/12/dsc00110.jpg
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/79/45/12/dsc00111.jpg
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/79/45/12/dsc00115.jpg
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/79/45/12/dsc00116.jpg
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/79/45/12/dsc00117.jpg
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/79/45/12/dsc00118.jpg
Discs:
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/79/45/12/dsc00112.jpg
they fit... :) :
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/79/45/12/dsc00114.jpg
The rim:
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/79/45/12/dsc00121.jpg
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/79/45/12/dsc00122.jpg
Remainings of the white one:
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/79/45/12/dsc00113.jpg
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/79/45/12/dsc00119.jpg
http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/79/45/12/dsc00120.jpg
The beast is alive!!
Works like a charm hehehe!!!!
youtube movie(the one who shows f*** off to me is stuntz who is on this forum :D ) :
YouTube - Q4 vzig
Congrats on the rebuild, sounds like a smooth tick over :cool:
Smoother than mine anyway...congratulations! :smile:
wrinx
Thank you very much...and now just a long wait for the paint job to be done...
Very good work Axa :)
i am interested to know if the grale manifold and turbo where straight bolt on replacement or was there more work involved ?
there was work whit intake manifold. Regarding positioning off vacuum hoses and throttle cable.
thanks Stuntz.
major work or was it quite simple ?
You need to adapt the gas cable brackets(needs a little bit of shortening becouse the cable is too tight), the idle valve brackets also needs adapting if you wish it to stay on the bracket,last but not least ...you need to "plug" the exit for the integrale's idle valve on the left side of the manifold.
jimnielsen
05-08-08, 23:17
Hi AXAQ42 ~ with the wheels and disks in this rebuild - I guess that you are using 166 calipers with Fiat coupe vt20 disk rotors? Is that correct? Also you have them inside 16" rims - can you tell me the rim details please?
Thanks, jimn~.
These are the calipers from the lancia kappa 2.0 20v turbo...which are essentially the same as the calipers from the 166 AND the disk rotors are from Fiat coop...all correct :)
They are inside an 16" rim...OZ F1 RACING CUP....i will tell you the rim details as soon as i will get to read from the rim itself :D.They fit with no problem..not even the 5mm spacer is needed.
These are the same:
http://cgi.ebay.de/4-Alufelgen-OZ-Racing-F-Style-16-incl-2-Reifen-neu_W0QQitemZ250277919268QQihZ015QQcategoryZ9892QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Probably the 37ET allows them to fit.
Team Dynamics RVO1 fit too, with about 1mm of space!!
wrinx
Almost good for a drive :)
http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/11/79/45/12/21082010.jpg
http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/11/79/45/12/21082011.jpg
Bad news about your 1st Q4, still it went on to "give" its parts to save another! Your car looks just like mine! Done the widebody conversion and its just waiting for a few new bits and bob's and some paint and she's done!!
Good luck with yours, and stay away from that bend in the road!!!!
Ohh believe me that i'm going to stay faaaar away from that bend :).
Oh another WB conversion...did you also put the steering rack ??
Probably the 37ET allows them to fit.
I have Tecnomagnesio Sport TM alloys, ET37 and 7J.
I tried the GTA calipers from WhizzMan, but they won't fit without a HUGE spacer :cry: And there is no roomo for this on my Q4 with the setup I have. I don't want to get rit of my Tecno's, so for now no brake conversion.
AxaQ42: Great job you! Engine sounds nice. Must take a look at the intake manifold projects that where done on this forum.
Greetings,
Marc
Have you tried 166 calipers? I think the GTA versions are much bigger.
wrinx
GTA version is smaller but wider!
Have you tried 166 calipers?
Not yet, have no 166 calipers available right now.
Maybe in the near futere.
Greetings,
Marc
GTA version is smaller but wider!
Yes, that is what I should have said...bigger on width, by quite a lot, something like 15-25mm iirc.
wrinx
Hi bud, the widebody conversion is almost done, but LHD racks are pretty rare over here! You got a spare quick rack kicking around???
Bought a few more things for being on the safe fuelling side:)
IC:
http://i3.ebayimg.com/08/i/001/10/79/5637_1.JPG
Walbro 255 L/H
http://turbomiami.com/products/images/walbro_255lph_fuel_pump.jpg
.. Siemens deka 630cc
http://leperformance.com/images/products/detail/24e3bd490a9db0cfe60da2bc8306ed10_image_550x413.jpg
There is a slight change of plan around the rims.
The OZ racing F1 will go off and cromodora sparco on,becouse i'm a sucker for rally rims :) :
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/42/sparcofelgeku0.jpg
This rims fit perfectly over the 4-pot brembo from the 166 with original 5mm spacer.
They are 7J,Et38
This wheels
There is a slight change of plan around the rims.
The OZ racing F1 will go off and cromodora sparco on,becouse i'm a sucker for rally rims :) :
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/42/sparcofelgeku0.jpg
This rims fit perfectly over the 4-pot brembo from the 166 with original 5mm spacer.
They are 7J,Et38
The work is going slowly but at least is going somewhere:)
Two low quaility pics of the car at the bodyshop ready to be painted and a few body parts already painted:
http://i69.servimg.com/u/f69/11/79/45/12/03012010.jpg
http://i69.servimg.com/u/f69/11/79/45/12/07012010.jpg
:cool:
It's really good to see so many cars on this forum being so pampered!
wrinx
Wha?'s the grey paint ??? Some primary paint?
I too must paint my Q4...
Great job!!!
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/10558364/hB9fYys2Ps8K4gG4.v.jpg
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/10558364/eboUPQxweE4PfAmM.v.jpg
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/10558364/YReAeMu051UTxQBT.v.jpg
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/10558364/IRQtUzb5a_A1USRK.v.jpg
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
wrinx
Wow, now there's a finish, you guys have got some real skill, well done!
Slow but steady progress...
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/10558364/f_3jMXPIN7UbfDFL.v.jpg
Progress still slow but steady:
http://i69.servimg.com/u/f69/11/79/45/12/mail_g12.jpg
First drive:
YouTube - Video000
The car is slowly reacing its final stages of work, it remains only to do:
-Mount FMIC
http://i89.servimg.com/u/f89/11/79/45/12/07032010.jpg
I searched a lot for this kind of IC (68cmX17cmx9cm thick) so it can fit without too much cutting of the fender and so.Becouse of the thickness the flow is practicly equal or even better then the "higher brothers" of at least 23 cm height.
-Install new custom exhaust header
-Glue the bl**dy windshield already in :D
I will post some pictures of the remaining work.
arjunior45
09-03-09, 08:03
great job. Compliments
keep on ... walking.
regards
Nick
Long time no update and that becouse of the problems with the windshield.I learned the hard way that the windshield from a 145/146 WONT FIT...its to thick and to high.I bought one new non-original and now i can just sell it or throw it away.A new windshield for the 155 is very costy 300-400eu so i went for a good used one.
few piccies:
Wrong tyres here....195/40/16
http://i89.servimg.com/u/f89/11/79/45/12/photo017.jpg
http://i89.servimg.com/u/f89/11/79/45/12/photo013.jpg
Need to finish the inside triming,fit a like new momo sport pack wheel.
http://i89.servimg.com/u/f89/11/79/45/12/photo010.jpg
Quite chunky look:
http://i89.servimg.com/u/f89/11/79/45/12/photo012.jpg
Finally got the custom made ex.header!
http://i89.servimg.com/u/f89/11/79/45/12/photo021.jpg
http://i89.servimg.com/u/f89/11/79/45/12/photo022.jpg
Its a copy of the ebay manifold but made better and with a few improvements(its full inox so its around 2kg lighter then that from the ebay!!,the pipes are more apart from the engine....)
....the pipes are more apart from the engine....)
That's good, but you may find they are MUCH closer to the fan and it's wiring now :doh:
There's not much room in there!
wrinx
Finally got the custom made ex.header!
http://i89.servimg.com/u/f89/11/79/45/12/photo021.jpg
http://i89.servimg.com/u/f89/11/79/45/12/photo022.jpg
Its a copy of the ebay manifold but made better and with a few improvements(its full inox so its around 2kg lighter then that from the ebay!!,the pipes are more apart from the engine....)
Does he plan to make anymore? It looks very good! :smoke::smoke::smoke:
That's good, but you may find they are MUCH closer to the fan and it's wiring now :doh:
There's not much room in there!
wrinx
This header will be completly wrapped in 1600 degree celsius Heat wrap and also the turbo will have a heat shield so there is not much worry :).
Alfajack:
The built quality is much better then those from ebay ...i will make better pics later.
I can ask him if he can make one if you wish.
If there is enough inqiery i will make them ....
Alfajack:
The built quality is much better then those from ebay ...i will make better pics later.
I can ask him if he can make one if you wish.
Many thanks :cheers:
If there is enough inqiery i will make them ....
Did you make the one for axaQ42?
this wich is going to be built now will have cuts to allow "breathing" of materials will psot pictures when it will be done.
jimnielsen
22-04-09, 11:22
Isn't the 'ebay manifold' fully stainless steel? Mine looks like it is?
cheers ~
I do not know what its made of its heavy as hell i do not like the transisions and welds many things on it !
If there is enough inqiery i will make them ....
Did you make this manifold?
http://i89.servimg.com/u/f89/11/79/45/12/photo021.jpg
Depending on the costs I could be interrested.
Could you PM the price?
Greetings,
Marc
Very nice paint job
as i can see from the fotos
what is the code from the color?
Did you make this manifold?
Depending on the costs I could be interrested.
Could you PM the price?
Greetings,
Marc
I could be interested too, depending on price..
So anyone interested please PM me for details i could make a batch but not in one month ! Im am totaly flexible for any special wishes. And im not going to make them for the price of ebay manifolds!
The car is almost ready there are still a few problems left(some electric problems and a few "beauty" issues and so ) but that roughly it:)
Here is on the truck becouse is still had the old chip but the bigger injectors in so it didnt work correctly
http://i89.servimg.com/u/f89/11/79/45/12/24042011.jpg
Looking great though, even if it is on a truck! ;)
The car was sold so this thread can be locked if you wish.
What a shame after all that work. Did you replace it with anything special?
Yes:).I drive a Saab 9000 2.3 turbo with around 250hp:).
Something like this only in black:
http://home.orange.nl/sradic/P1010022.jpg
The car runs great,drives great and ts very reliable.I can get even a nice MPG on this one hehe.
RMB-Racing
06-07-09, 17:20
Nooooooooooooo...!!!! :cry:
It must've been a really good reason I suppose...
Anyway, congrats for the work on that Alfa.
No special reason actually...i needed a car and i grew tired of the constant bugs and problems with the Q4 so i made this decision.And also i fell in love with another 4x4 turbo car....an Audi S4(C4) with 2.2 t engine and quattro drivetrain.It s a very nice piece of machine i tell you.
arjunior45
07-07-09, 07:38
and you think there are no any problems or bugs with a German car?
The only difference is that you can find any part you want for a German car more easily.
I know that bugs are everywhere :D but i tryed the car and it suits me very much, its built quailty is way better then the Q4, the engine is easily tuned to 400bhp without changing pistons,rods,camshafts and the noise is just plain sick!!Also i just grew tired of the Q4, i've had them for 5 straight years and never ever everything was running fine for at least a month :D.
Anyway i will buy an S4 later, now i will enjoy my "little" swedish tank :D.
The Saab engine is very very strong in stock form and very easily tuned, steel crank, forged pistons etc...
The Saab engine is very very strong in stock form and very easily tuned, steel crank, forged pistons etc...
Yes :).It can be tuned to around 450hp with changing the head gasket,clutch,injectors,fuel pump and turbo with stock internals.I will be more modest...my goal is 300.
Here are a few piccies of the work done on the Q4 by the new owner(he is actually my friend:) and lives near).
A pics with his 155 1.8ts when i delivered the car:
http://i89.servimg.com/u/f89/11/79/45/12/photo029.jpg
http://i89.servimg.com/u/f89/11/79/45/12/photo030.jpg
Adapting the new IC
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/1503294/wZv7uJ9VLIFFu7Ks.v.jpg
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/1503294/kozlDm1Qi1INqJ8Z.jpg
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/1503294/ieEwbuCyOFZ3yzyT.v.jpg
The heatwrap which i bought for the car:
http://www.shrani.si/f/S/ty/iYNIapi/p1000099-medium.jpg
Mounting the custom EH
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/1503294/7nCjkK5KqtYEmYOG.v.jpg
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/1503294/XxT12DqUjWoFLnS9.v.jpg
It was obviously too close despite the changes in the design...its was later fixed.
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/1503294/mtObp0fJpgx0grED.v.jpg
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/1503294/7_yv5dBIBg2EfxBJ.v.jpg
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/1503294/GMapwD5he4iQ8IHg.v.jpg
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/1503294/vjYMYbbQ6d4tDvaU.v.jpg
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/1503294/vkz5kv2O6c1_uF7z.v.jpg
http://www.moj-album.com/slike/1503294/2iA1q04UgVOWHXXP.v.jpg
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arjunior45
30-08-09, 17:32
at least it went to a man with Alfavirus
Alfa 155 virus...he doesnt like the others :).
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