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Sorry to those that visit the other Alfa sites, you may of seen this before:
I am starting a full re-spray project on the Q4 and will document the progress here and on the 155 forums. Never used a spray gun before so not expecting gleaming results but will hopefully look OK.
Wash it:
http://www.cloverleaf4.co.uk/images/uploads/20236.jpg
Rub down bonnet (600 grit W&D):
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De-baged and De-Spoilered (it's a heavy bugger. The boot lid is light as a feather now! :lol:):
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De-Skirted:
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Found a crack in the paint pot - so very glad I found it the easy way! Have emailed the company the pic:
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DA sanded on a big chip in the paint:
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Will be a pretty lengthy process and will post pics as I go..
Steve Webb
16-05-11, 09:21
Good luck Jack, where are you going to be doing the spraying? In the garage or a are you going to rig up a spray booth?
Only ever done a little spraying before, prep and patience and you will do fine.
Good luck Jack, where are you going to be doing the spraying? In the garage or a are you going to rig up a spray booth?
Only ever done a little spraying before, prep and patience and you will do fine.
Going to be spraying in the garage - not the ideal place but should be OK.
Steve Webb
16-05-11, 19:54
If you grab yourself some large decorators plastic dustsheets and some duck tape you should be able to rig up a fairly decent spray booth. Be worth it given all the effort you are going into in prepping the paintwork.
Steve Webb
20-06-11, 10:11
Hi Jack, got any further with the respray recently?
Not really unfortunately. Maybe more this weekend then things get busy for many weekends after that.
It is off the road now and will be sorned for a few months so I can do it slowly.
Have rubbed down all of the off-side and bonnet, plus skirts, a new mirror.
Going to remove the bumpers next and spray all these bits separately then roll the car in the garage.
Bit more progress...more rubbing down:
http://www.cloverleaf4.co.uk/images/uploads/20843.jpg
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Won't get a chance to do any more until August now.
And what a Spider you have there...such a charmful car!
That is my Dad's Spider. Has owned it for about 35 years. Will be my wedding car in a few weeks!
35 years...now that is some story!
As for you Jack, every good wish on your wedding day and all your dreams come true!
Cheers,
C.
Thanks...will post a pic or two after we are back :)
Steve Webb
26-06-11, 11:59
Where is the honeymoon then? Persuaded her that a motoring tour of northern Italy would be a good idea, or going to loaf on a beach somewhere?
Loaf and beach :D
Then a month later we have a month in South America :)
Bit of an update - have actually sprayed some paint now, all-be-it primer:
http://www.cloverleaf4.co.uk/images/uploads/21307.jpg
Good side, nice and solid:
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Bad side, mounting point is solid so will clean up and put some rust stopper on as a temporary measure:
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Bumper was a bit buggered but now riveted back together with metal plating on the inside:
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166 bumper for some practise:
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Steve Webb
14-08-11, 09:34
Looking like you are getting on well with things Jack. How are you finding the spray gun? Can't see any runs on what you've done so far.
I've always fancied having a car finished in primer grey, tempted?
Looking like you are getting on well with things Jack. How are you finding the spray gun? Can't see any runs on what you've done so far.
I've always fancied having a car finished in primer grey, tempted?
Hehe, not that tempted no :D
Spray gun seems really good except it has given me a pretty big blister. I was using one finger to pull the trigger when there is space for three.
No real runs yet, might be a different matter when the colour goes on!
Some more.
Painted up the wing and other trim bits. Not sure on the finish I have got though - I thought it was OK (given I have never sprayed colour on anything with gun before) and that it will flat back smooth for a good polish but my dad says I can get better - smooth finish out of the gun? Don't know what to adjust really. The finish is consistent all over.
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Others:
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jimnielsen
15-08-11, 01:02
jack, isn't that 'orange peel' effect as we call it here cause by spraying too thick a mixture? The paint will produce runs easier with a wetter mix, but will have less orange peel..
jim.
Steve Webb
15-08-11, 07:53
Looks like orange peel to me as well. How far from the panel are you holding the spraygun, and what was the temp when you were spraying. Looks like there wasn't enough thinner in the paint when you sprayed it or too much of the thinner evaporated from the mix before it hit the panel.
Just my 2p
Yes, have also found out that the pressure I am spraying with is too high. Will try again tonight :)
u can try another thing before u apray evrything again.. Try with watersand paper p3200 and sand it... when ur done take 3 polishing paste's. hard paste fine paste and superfine paste... when ur done it should be like glass...
i did on my alfa 145 like that and the pictures talks by themselfs..
http://www.shrani.si/f/2D/iF/4kRwXfkV/finish-alfa.jpg
http://www.shrani.si/f/1T/jy/3RODeGeo/finish-alfa3.jpg
http://www.shrani.si/f/J/4l/1phDNgu0/finish-alfa2.jpg
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Steve Webb
15-08-11, 18:41
u can try another thing before u apray evrything again.. Try with watersand paper p3200 and sand it... when ur done take 3 polishing paste's. hard paste fine paste and superfine paste... when ur done it should be like glass...
i did on my alfa 145 like that and the pictures talks by themselfs..
http://www.shrani.si/f/2D/iF/4kRwXfkV/finish-alfa.jpg
Interesting colour there, why isn't it in the forum garage? :huh: Get it stuck in there.
You should be able to save the paint you have done so far Jack, but its probably best trying to sort out your mix\settings\technique for the rest of the panels.
Shouldn't you be planning a wedding as well, not hiding in the garage? :nahnahna:
Shouldn't you be planning a wedding as well, not hiding in the garage? :nahnahna:
Jack's a polygamist??? :loco:
wrinx
I'd say the orange peel effect is being caused by the compressor running out of steam, it's what I would call "dry" rather than orange peel. Let the compressor charge up and don't paint to much in one go.
You'll be needing to get a buffer and polishing compounds like G3 and G10 to cut the paint back to a super slick wet look, that where the real skill is. Many a poor coat of paint is saved by the polishers skill.
Flatted it back tonight and turned the pressure down by 20psi - was a touch high for a HVLP gun. The finish now is much better :D
The compressor is a fairly big beast so doesn't charge up too much.
Steve Webb
15-08-11, 22:26
Jack's a polygamist??? :loco:
wrinx
Hes already married, and still allowed access to the garage to play??
He must have found the perfect woman!! :thumbsup:
Hes already married, and still allowed access to the garage to play??
He must have found the perfect woman!! :thumbsup:
I warned her of this before we got married -August will be a busy month on the car as trying to finish it before a month in South America! Hope I can get it done! :help:
He must have found the perfect woman!! :thumbsup:
She just has a very inconsiderate husband :eek:
I'd say the orange peel effect is being caused by the compressor running out of steam, it's what I would call "dry" rather than orange peel. Let the compressor charge up and don't paint to much in one go.
You'll be needing to get a buffer and polishing compounds like G3 and G10 to cut the paint back to a super slick wet look, that where the real skill is. Many a poor coat of paint is saved by the polishers skill.
The finish I was getting was worse that I thought. A microfibre cloth stuck to it like velcro!
Many a poor coat of paint is saved by the polishers skill.
Agreed...my Uncle has a Healey with an 8cyl Jag conversion, he painted it bright red from rattle cans and sent it to a friend for finishing, looks like a pro-finish now.
The finish I was getting was worse that I thought. A microfibre cloth stuck to it like velcro!
Use it to rub down the other panels...
wrinx
Steve Webb
17-08-11, 21:09
She just has a very inconsiderate husband :eek:
Beware !! The brainwashing has started already. :wink:
They say it was easy to understand the very fisrt man getting married... because he didn't new what he's doing. But what about the rest of them who followed? :loco::wink:
Steve Webb
18-08-11, 19:40
Bad side, mounting point is solid so will clean up and put some rust stopper on as a temporary measure:
http://www.cloverleaf4.co.uk/images/uploads/21309.jpg
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At the risk of getting this thread back on to car related ground, has anyone else found that the bodywork on the petrol filler side of the car tends to be in worse condition than the other side?
I've got corrosion of the rear wing on this side, whereas the other side seems fine.
So is it down to a chemical reaction with petrol\fumes escaping from the filler, or is it down to the fact that the other side is close to the exhaust so gets heated up and any moisture is evaporated off?
Oh and remember, when a man gets married, he wants his wife to stay the same, then gets upset when she changes.
A woman however gets married wanting to change her husband, then gets upset when he stays the same!!!
As you were everybody.
Yes, they're all worse on the filler side...Q4s that is!
My theory is the fuel vapour degreases the panels :lol:
wrinx
Yes, they're all worse on the filler side...Q4s that is!
This problem occurs also with the normal models of the 155's.
Had a couple of 1.8 8V's and a 2.0 8V with the same problem.
If I remeber correctly, the Savali 3.1 had the same problem.
I agree with you that it probably has something to do with spilling fuel or something like that.
Regards,
Marc
A quick update as other will have seen elsewhere:
Starting to get a shine - roof and OS rear quarter done (only flatted in the pic) so far...I like to take my time.
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Maybe another 6 months and it will be done!!
The colour looks great but the photos make it look poor due to the resizing and compression.
It looks like a very good job to me. Congrats! It's always nice to find the time to take care of your car by yourself, isn't it Jack?
Cheers,
C.
Jack, congrats. It's a Really nice job!
I would like to do the same with my car, please share all the know how in order to learn from the master (and to avoid all the mistakes :lol:).
Steve Webb
31-01-12, 14:43
Looking good in the pics Jack, although I did double take the rear 3/4's pic and then re-read your post. I thought you were pre-pinking the red colour.:wink:
Juan AR155Q4
03-02-12, 20:54
Niiice, is this your first time re-spraying??
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