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Actually how many Q4s have been built?
Not sure there is a specific figure, but I read (on here?) that it's reckoned to be around the 2000 area.
I've got a book which gives production figures with chassis ranges but sadly the various 155s are not listed separately.
wrinx
Steve Webb
04-12-08, 06:41
I thought it was a little higher than that, not sure where I got it from but in my mind it was 2500 series 1's (skinny/waterspray) and about 500 series 2+3's (skinny/no water + widebodies)
Steve
Seems reasonable...my memory is crap!
wrinx
Wasn't it at least 2500 to be able to join the DTM series :confused: Not sure, but read somewhere the figure ~2700.:tapedshut:
Also there are 3 series produced.
Series 1 & 2 are the skinnies, first series with waterspray and the second series not. The thirth series are the widies.
Greetings,
Marc
There was 2701 Q4's produced according to an article in the Danish Alfa Club Magazine.. :)
How many of what series I don't know, but I do know that the widies are more rare than the skinnies.. :)
I tought there were 1500 cars with waterspray needed to use the system in the DTM. :confused:
These would be the series 1.
Most other Q4's are series 2, and not very much are the widebody version.
So a total of 2701 sounds plausible.
I really would like to know how many widebody Q4's were made.
read somewhere: total 2290 - first 1500 with waterspray, the others wide biatches.
I don't like my girls fat:D
arjunior45
04-12-08, 17:59
total 2704 {all series} according to an old article. Can't find it right now to report the figures for every and each series. I believe the wbs were something more than 700.
If I find the numbers I'll post them here.
Nick
Just don't remember were from I have dragged out this article some time ago
Model / Type: 155 Q4
Series: 167
Year of manufacture: 1992
Produced till: 1997
Numbers produced: 2,701
Price at beginning of production: 53.500,00 DM
Engine type: 4 Zylinder Otto-Reihen-Motor
Engine number: 67203
Additional engine information: 4 valves per cylinder, Marelli IAW ignition and injection system, 1 liquid-cooled Garrett T3 turbocharger with 2-phase overboost system, air / air intercooler, three 3-way catalysts, EURO 1 emission standarts
double overhead camshaft
Engine assembly: front transverse
Max power (KW / HP @ RPM): 137/186 @ 6,000 (EEC)
Torque (Nm @ RPM): 229 @ 2,500
Compression: 8.0 : 1
Cubic capacity: 1,995 ccm
Bore / Stroke: 84.0 x 90.0 mm
Max speed: 225 km/h
Acceleration from 0 to 100 km/h: 7.0 sec
Transmission: 4 Wheel Drive
Average fuel consumption (l/100km according Alfa Romeo): 9.8
Wheelbase: 2,540 mm
Lenght / Width / Hight: 4,443 / 1,700 / 1,440 mm
Unloaden weight: 1,445 kg
Information about colours: Uni-Lackierungen
130 Alfa Rot
230 Wei?
601 Schwarz
Metallic-Lackierungen
146 Bordeauxrot-Metallic
364 Myrthengr?n-Metallic
431 Blau Metallic
638 Canna Metallic
676 Hellgrau Metallic
Cheers,
Cristian.
Thanks :D
Nice to own such a comparatively rare car :cool:
wrinx
So anybody know the exact number of Widebodies produced? :D
less than 10 miles to the gallon at 62 mph !!!!!!!!!!!!!
less than 10 miles to the gallon at 62 mph !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Litres per 100km :biggrin:
700 wb Q4's would make them more rare than say an SZ. :biggrin:
I bet that most 156 owners wouldn't believe that. :deal:
MPG is wierd to use.
I get about 1:6 to 1:7. If you manage almost 1:10 you are not doing it right. :biggrin:
arjunior45
06-12-08, 08:23
production ended in mid '96 not in '97 like all the other 155.
Yes, wb are quite rare as their production lasted just one year {mid '95 to mid '96} - so please do NOT destroy them. More rare than an SZ but not that rare as the RZ one!!!
about hp : first series with water injection had 190 hp - 4 'extra' hp than the other series - due to its different ecu map.
Nick
arjunior45
06-12-08, 08:28
So anybody know the exact number of Widebodies produced? :D
I do have the parts cd and with chassis number I can see the series.
If you know the 'way' to see the total numbers for each serie, using this cd, let me know and I'll have a 'look'.
Nick
Not as far as I know....you would have to manually enter the chassis number to find out which ones had the turbocharged engine....not a very exciting task!
I can give you the chassis ranges if you like...
wrinx
700 wb Q4's would make them more rare than say an SZ. :biggrin:
One of our members has both!:smoke::smoke:
I have a problem with 700 wb Q4's.
That number seems on the high side.
In the netherlands we have 35 Q4's sold between 1992 and 1996.
Of those:
15 series 1
14 series 2
6 series 3 (wb)
With 4 cars unkown, this probably would be:
17 series 1
14 series 2
1 car series 1 or 2, lets make it 2.
7 series 3
Imports 6 series 1, 6 series 2, 2 series 3.
total:
23 series 1, 21 series 2, 9 series 3.
Buth with 1500 series 1 and 700 series 3 i only get about 500 series 2...... Wich looks on the small side give the spread in the netherlands. They would be more rare than the widebody's!
So i guess there are more Q4's than 2701, or there are more series 2 than 500 and less series 3 than 700.
If only alfa would have these numbers........
:cry::cry::cry:
Are the numbers in the UK known?
And where are all these wb-Q4's????
In Sweden we today have 30+ Q4:s and my estimation is that almost 2/3 are series 2 and only 3 are serie 3. Remember, series 3 was first produced autumn 1995 and the last car was built in April 1996. The price was really high and as far as I remember both marketing and tests in car magazines was almost non-existing for the series 3 Q4.
I have tried to find out more about the series 3 during the 11? years I have had mine, but I have found/heard off far less than 100 in total and only seen one other in real life despite many trackdays and Alfa Romeo meetings (not only in Sweden...)
Strange that there are three Series 3 cars in the UK! Although two of them are personal imports.
There are 16 UK cars according to my records but I'm pretty sure there's two or three missing. One story includes a Q4 which was converted to 2wd for racing, no info on that as yet.
wrinx
arjunior45
19-01-09, 19:22
there are at least 3 wb in Greece, out of total 12 Q4 imported. There must be left 9 or 10 Q4 in circulation, as at least 2 of them were totally damaged.
Nick
Steve Webb
19-01-09, 20:00
One story includes a Q4 which was converted to 2wd for racing, no info on that as yet.
wrinx
When did you hear this Wrinx? The red Q4 I sold was sold to a guy who wanted to mount a 20vt Fiat engine Longitudinally driving the rear diff via a Getrag box. Then go racing with it. Not sure the rear diff would be man enough for the job myself.
When did you hear this Wrinx? The red Q4 I sold was sold to a guy who wanted to mount a 20vt Fiat engine Longitudinally driving the rear diff via a Getrag box. Then go racing with it. Not sure the rear diff would be man enough for the job myself.
Ahh, now that's interesting! I was told the story at last year's National Alfa Day, the mods being done a few years ago so would fit with you moving, source is 100% reliable.
Can you remember your old registration number for my list (and chassis no. would be helpful :D)?
wrinx
When did you hear this Wrinx? The red Q4 I sold was sold to a guy who wanted to mount a 20vt Fiat engine Longitudinally driving the rear diff via a Getrag box. Then go racing with it. Not sure the rear diff would be man enough for the job myself.
Have probably asked before but where is the sparkly new engine you installed?:eek:
Steve Webb
20-01-09, 16:45
Ahh, now that's interesting! I was told the story at last year's National Alfa Day, the mods being done a few years ago so would fit with you moving, source is 100% reliable.
Can you remember your old registration number for my list (and chassis no. would be helpful :D)?
wrinx
I can get the Reg number as I've still got the front plate downstairs in the garage. Chassis number is a little more difficult.
Steve Webb
20-01-09, 16:47
Have probably asked before but where is the sparkly new engine you installed?:eek:
Not sure what he was going to do with the engine, then again not sure what race series he was going to race the car in. Just hope it was getting a decent cage as the car had been crashed previously!
So getting the engine number might be a problem...? :lol:
wrinx
probably 10 q4's in Norway.
I know of 5 of these through cuoresportivo.no which is the norwegian alfa forum, at least 2 of the 5 are wb's. Mine's not
arjunior45
28-01-09, 13:53
So getting the engine number might be a problem...? :lol:
wrinx
if you can find the chassis number then I can tell you the engine number mounted by the factory.
Nick
It's ok, so can I ;)
wrinx
One of our members has both!:smoke::smoke:
Who would that be ?
Ahh, now that's interesting! I was told the story at last year's National Alfa Day, the mods being done a few years ago so would fit with you moving, source is 100% reliable.
Can you remember your old registration number for my list (and chassis no. would be helpful :D)?
wrinx
Mike Buckler of Rusper Alfa built a Q4 for Ron Davies to race in the AROC Championship as it was. Ron didn't get on with the 4WD so I think the car was converted to RWD. What I don't know was if this was using the Q4 engine.
I can find out though.
Haven't heard or seen Mike for a long while. I think he is mostly retired. At least he completed his Bi-Motore dream before though :)
He has retired but I know someone who is still touch with him. Already fired off Email so I will update when I get a response
Finally got a response from Mike.
Ron's car was a RHD 155 into which he inserted Integrale mechanicals, equivalently a RHD Q4. The 4WD was then removed to put it back to a FWD spec but still utilising the turbo motor
My car is featured in a nice article in the dutch car magazine GTO.
They also mention 2701 Q4's produced.
So we still have 1500 series 1. But series 2+3 are 1201. Of wich I suspect the majority to be series 2.
The count for widebody 155's in the netherlands is 6. The last car wich could be a wb is most likely a series 2 car.
35 cars sold in the netherlands
series 1: 13
series 2: 15
series 1 or 2: 1
series 3: 6
1 car is either series 1 or 2, not sure until i get its data, wich could be never:rolleyes:.
I would be surprised if there are more than 500 wbQ4's worldwide.
Finally got a response from Mike.
Ron's car was a RHD 155 into which he inserted Integrale mechanicals, equivalently a RHD Q4. The 4WD was then removed to put it back to a FWD spec but still utilising the turbo motor
Missed this....so not a "proper" Q4 after all, bizarre :lol:
wrinx
The shoot was on zandvoort racetrack.
(With m3 cecotto and 190 evo2)
http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/1/5aadbcf211b9a3fbf256f088158728b1.jpg
The shoot was on zandvoort racetrack.
(With m3 cecotto and 190 evo2)
http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/1/5aadbcf211b9a3fbf256f088158728b1.jpg
Nice pic but shame about the other two though:tongue2:
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