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MBC worked well but suffered from lots of spikes...now this could be my gauge being erratic or the turbo at fault as it died shortly after installation!
Sok, I'm looking at EBCs as they are supposed to control spikes much better.
Any experiences to share?
I'm considering a GIZZMO (http://www.gb-ent.com/index.php/Gizzmo-Electronics/View-all-products.html) or perhaps Blitz Dual SBC Spec R (http://www.envyperformance.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=1090&CFID=1763840&CFTOKEN=14145462) as they have four potential boost settings which I'd like (0.8, 1.0, 1.2, 1.4 etc)!
wrinx
More info on the Gizzmo:
http://www.gb-ent.com/index.php/Boost-Controllers/Electronic-Boost-Controller-comparison.html
wrinx
I hear they are good but can be a real pain to setup correctly. Perhaps a better, higher quality MBC?
The Blitz does look quite tasty though :cool:
I've read an Australian article about setting up the Gizzmo and it seems reasonably ok from what little I know...fast runs have to be done in each gear etc etc to set the max boost and then add 10% duty cycle etc etc.....straight over my head! :lol:
wrinx
Well...bought a cheap EVC2 controller (just low, high and off settings)to see if it works, may then splash out a bit more in future :D
wrinx
i use apexi and are very happy about it.
you can control you boost, and overboost by rpm,gear, and so on.
They seem to be the higher end of the market....well, they cost more than I'm prepared to pay anyway :D
Still interested in the Gizzmo and less so the Blitz.
wrinx
jimnielsen
12-12-08, 21:49
How do you control fuel with these things?
jimn~
I guess the clue is in the name....
Nice if you want lots of buttons, knobs and flashing lights etc - the Coupe owners love them.
Hey boost spikes are fun!
They do not control the fuel, but only the boost..
On mine i use it to boost 1.8 in the lower gear and 1.6 in 4 and 1.4 in 5th gear
1.8 bar :eek:
What specs are you running?
wrinx
I think Jim may have been asking how is the extra fuel managed when running with a boost controller....not necessary as far as I know, the current map handles it all so long as you don't go over the maximum boost setting.
wrinx
No not as long you stay inside the MAP, but still it can be a problem.. when i chip my car i also adjust the WOT. And the my car get to rich with full gas and low boost..
I believe that if you want to go above 1.5Bar you need to change the map sensor or it trips the ECU in to safe mode.
What is the WOT?
Sorry i could have explain. It is Wide open throtle, a parameer in our ECU, where you can let the car get % extra fuel
What are the little circles of plastic in the boost pipes, looks like a diaphragm of some sort...restrictors/inhibitors?
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g118/wrinx/Q4/pipes.jpg
wrinx
cuore_sportivo_155
20-12-08, 21:51
accumulators, to smoothen the readout.... like in the fuel rail also
Excellent, exactly what I thought...where can I get some as mine is without!?
wrinx
accumulators, to smoothen the readout.... like in the fuel rail also
Are you sure they aren't one-way valves?
Are you sure they aren't one-way valves?
Thats what I thought they looked like.....
Ok...so what purpose do they serve and do I need them?
wrinx
If they are one way valves then you will find them in a few places in the engine bay, namely on the brake servo supply and somewhere on the oil breather system. They are used so that pressurised air cannot get up the pipe because these components only need vacuum - which is provided on deceleration., once you get back on the gas the valve shuts.
I'm not saying that these items are or aren't, I'm just asking the question..... :smile:
I also have no idea of what the picture is you have posted up to be able to throw any light onto the subject. Is it a flux capacitor?
cuore_sportivo_155
21-12-08, 11:08
why would a boost controller need a one way valve? how can it read out boost dropping that way?
if you want to make an accumulator to smoothen out ripples, fit a fuel filter in between, relatively close to where you want the smoothed boost... a restriction beforee the accumulator helps aswell....
I also have no idea of what the picture is you have posted up to be able to throw any light onto the subject. Is it a flux capacitor?
Nearly...electronic boost controller :D
wrinx
my guess is also a restriction.
Here we go...
"Solenoids may require small diameter restrictors be installed in the air control lines to limit airflow and even out the on/off nature of their operation."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boost_controller
wrinx
Ok, this is beginning to annoy me now...can't find any like the pic I posted, how about these?:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fuel-filter-in-line-anodised-alloy-8mm-or-5-16-pipe-dia_W0QQitemZ390018605770QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Mot orcycle_Parts?
...or this:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/6mm-Clear-Round-Fuel-Filter_W0QQitemZ350143682330QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ Motorcycle_Parts?
...or even this!:
http://store.42draftdesigns.com/Vacuum-Line-Restrictor_p_23-99.html
wrinx
cuore_sportivo_155
22-12-08, 14:23
just a run of the mill fuel filter will do.... like the one under the car for example.... as long as it's for injected cars (able to withstand the boost pressure)
Have you seen the size of 155s fuel filters? :eek:
wrinx
Nope, still can't find anything suitable...the only mention I can find is on US forums but even that's vague!
Apparently there is a metal plate inside the plastic part, with a small diameter hole in the middle.
wrinx
You want something like this:
http://www.germes-online.com/direct/dbimage/50039182/Plastic_Fuel_Filter.jpg
Yeah, seen plenty of those on ebay but they seem to be for carb equipped cars...not FI. Not sure they can handle the pressure....can they?
wrinx
cuore_sportivo_155
23-12-08, 16:20
Have you seen the size of 155s fuel filters? :eek:
wrinx
the same as any 155 fuel filter? it'll work fine, at most you get a little delay in readings. Without it you have less chance of it working....
or make something, you just need a small reservoir....
Yeah, seen plenty of those on ebay but they seem to be for carb equipped cars...not FI. Not sure they can handle the pressure....can they?
wrinx
To use as an air damper? Yes, they will be fine.
Or to put it this way, if it fails you lose a whole 50p....
Don't forget the post costs on top :eek:
Will give it a try ;)
wrinx
I know where your doubt is coming from, a large boost hose (say an intercooler hose) will blow off if the clamp isn't tight enough right?
The small bore boost hoses for sensors and gauges can be just pushed on with no clamps and be ok - they won't blow off.
Why is this?
I have no idea!
The small bore stuff is mainly vacuum isn't it?
My concern is the plastic seals may not take the strain, vacuum or pressure...but as you say, no real loss if they fail :D
wrinx
Not all of them, I have pipes coming out of my plenum and some going into the boost gauge, none of them are clamped on.
cuore_sportivo_155
24-12-08, 13:40
boost*area= force.... small diameter = small area = small force = not much expansion
Jeeeez, these took some finding!
https://www.nitro-performance.com/shop/product.php?productid=2424&cat=216&page=1
https://www.nitro-performance.com/shop/product.php?productid=2423&cat=216&page=1
wrinx
cuore_sportivo_155
03-01-09, 19:58
so, are they to smoothen the air pressure pulses?
Here we go...
"Solenoids may require small diameter restrictors be installed in the air control lines to limit airflow and even out the on/off nature of their operation."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boost_controller
wrinx
Yes...see previous post above ^^^ :D
wrinx
Jeeeez, these took some finding!
https://www.nitro-performance.com/shop/product.php?productid=2424&cat=216&page=1
https://www.nitro-performance.com/shop/product.php?productid=2423&cat=216&page=1
wrinx
This is funny!!!! The shop is located in my own town, I even used to live in the same village....and work on the same trading estate (before they were there obviously)!!!! The irony is killing me...
wrinx
...it just got even more scary!
Nitro-Performance took over the industrial unit of the company I used to work for...VERY small world!
wrinx
cuore_sportivo_155
06-01-09, 05:47
off-topic, but not...
anyone came across an electronic boost controller that can operate a VNT25 turbo? these have a mechanical vnt system and feed pressure into the vnt actuator...
Not looked, is this for the JTD?
wrinx
cuore_sportivo_155
06-01-09, 17:01
could be....
Vaguely remember reading something along the lines that MBCs are better for diesels...but I might have made that up!
wrinx
Vaguely remember reading something along the lines that MBCs are better for diesels...but I might have made that up!
wrinx
If you doubt yourself, maybe you made it up.:biggrin:
I'm considering a GIZZMO
Finally bought one...?160! :smoke:
wrinx
Steve Webb
15-10-09, 16:51
Geez I've been away from the site too long, I opened this and expected a discussion about brake pads.
Any reason for the EBC route?
I went the MBC route initially as the Pierberg wasn't allowing proper amounts of boost. This was confirmed as the MBC made a huge amount of difference, albeit in a very simple way and with limited control.
So the reason for buying an EBCs is to allow programming and they actively monitor and adjust boost levels...kinda like a Pierberg I guess.
Plus it's a nice gadget...:biggrin:
wrinx
Steve Webb
15-10-09, 18:04
Plus it's a nice gadget...:biggrin:
Enough said!
So the MBC\EBC takes all control of the turbo away from the std ECU?
My Pierburg has always behaved itself so I've never really looked into seperate boost controllers.
Yes, you have control of the boost and how it behaves.
With a MBC you just control the maximum level, but EBCs allow you to be much more creative...the top ones allow you to change in gear characteristics too!
Not 100% sure about the Gizzmo until I read the book, but it's supposed to be good for the money.
You're still limited to the max ECU boost of 1.5b though :D
wrinx
Pah...I prefer my 14mm spanner to turn things up :D
Luddite :tapedshut::fp:
wrinx
jimnielsen
15-10-09, 20:17
what model did you get?
Steve Webb
15-10-09, 20:29
what model did you get?
Wrinx's EBC or Jacks bolt?
Wrinx's EBC or Jacks bolt?
An M10? :smile:
This, more or less is my bolt:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Manual-Boost-Controller-Mitsubishi-Lancer-Evo-GTO-VR4_W0QQitemZ130337463465QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Car sParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item1e58b7dca9&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
what model did you get?
The MS-IBC, read the instruction book now, looks to be pretty good.
Will try and fit it when I've recovered....
wrinx
Sorry for upping old thread.
The plastic circle part at the picture in 1st page should be air filter. Like this one -> link (http://www.apexi-usa.com/store/electronics/avc-r/avc-r-components-air-filter-4mm-replacement.html). I have read about using of such filter, when the arrow in boost gauge is oscillating.
I have a Apexi AVC-R boost controller (bought originally for my GTV) and plan to use it in Q4 in the future and probably soon will buy another one for the GTV :dry: .
I see that kepsus have used Apexi boost controller, but not mentioned which one AVC-R or the older Super AVC-R. And don't know if it is active user anymore to share some experience :).
In my opinion is better to use stock boost control instead of manual one.
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